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Powers Sa
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:59:00 -
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The Massively article was a pubbie ploy to get you to resign, don't do it The Mittani.
Politicians apologize and keep on trucking all the time. There is no need to apologize. |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Princess Nana wrote:"Waah, I was drunk, pleese forgive me".
As a former lawyer would you not rip that arguement apart in court ?
Your conduct was not befitting of one who apparently represents the community.
CCP need to act and rid us of this pompous jester who clearly believes he is above the rules of the game. Would you care to point out where he begged for forgiveness? Oh that's right he didn't. He didn't ask for forgiveness, but he took ownership for getting drunk. Maybe you didn't read it, you pubbie scumbag.
Quote: There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
get f***ed |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:48:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) A wild opportunist appears... |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:04:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) It's seemed to me in my whole 12 hours of forum experience that that's the status quo. "If I shout it loud enough, it'll become the truth."
The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting: Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0I really hope CCP doesn't have to step in here (for business reasons or whatnot). I think it's important that The Mittani act of his own accord, and either step down or announce his intention to stay. In real-world politics we don't get to just replace our elected officials, but we definitely get to pressure them into action and if they refuse to take said action they don't get re-elected. This should be no different. The social depth of this game is already making this noob very, very happy with his new gaming home. :) Get out forum alt. |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:31:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:I say disband goons and make them spend another 6 months on SOMETHINGAWFUL for 6 months before reactivating accounts. signed |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.
Quote: There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
what. |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:36:00 -
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Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... You are confusing our roleplaying alliance with who we are as real people. |

Powers Sa
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:43:00 -
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de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic. |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:52:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Wow, you really can't distinguish between in-game and real life, even now. Let me try to explain this to you: Real life player/person == CAN commit suicide in REAL LIFE Toon/character/Macinaw pilot == Pixels. In-game. Can only biomass. You did not encourage a toon to biomass. You asked a bunch of people to encourage a REAL LIFE person to commit REAL LIFE suicide. And now, instead of expressing concern for the PLAYER, you focus on his in-game activity with a very thin veneer of masked contempt. He's not an Eve player to you and certainly not a real person. You refer to him as "the miner". "A Macinaw pilot". A "Macinaw miner". Less than. A "pubbie." A normal person in this situation would at least try to contact this guy and apologize privately and personally. I'd suggest Skype (you have a chan don't you?) Maybe you could both sign a NDA. But you're not a normal person, are you? You're The Mittani, king of the goons, CSM chairman, Mr. "deal with it"...admitted sadist. Thanks for the new black eye you've given my favorite game, Mr. Chairman. And reversing yourself now saying. "I am not a sadist?" How do you reconcile that with bragging about being a sadist in your own campaign thread? You said, quote: i sling mud, i scam supercaps, and i'm a sadist, this isn't new or particularly interestingSo was that roleplaying, in your CSM campaign thread? Or was that the real Alex, like the guy with the mic? And if you're going to do a complete 180 on the whole "I'm a sadist, deal with it" tip, how can anyone trust that any part of your apology is sincere? (Before anyone says that was in-game, roleplaying, or the like you should read the convo in its entirety in his thread or in convo format here.) he told people to go the guy up :psyduck: |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:08:00 -
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The real tragedy here are the Dutch folks from Holland/The Netherlands. He never apologized to them. |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:17:00 -
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Krutoj wrote:Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage erm, there was erm, maybe 3 guys from the panel who werent drunk yet?? Fanfest is for having fun, drinking is part of it, because beer and other are sold openly at the event. The fact of the matter I began each morning with 2-3 shots of vodka and then drinking beer and w/e else people brought (CSM status buys you a lot of free drinks, just ask Alex, oh wai..). ITS A PARTYYYYYYY. Presenting stuff on it just depends on how well you can behave and how much of a fool you can make out of yourself while drunk, or you can always present it sobber like Eve Uni CEO. Krutoj, king of never giving a ****. You have my alt vote next year. |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:50:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.
Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.
As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. The guy is still alive. He doesn't even remember the event per evidenced by the chatlogs that have been posted.
What are you talking about internet, not even wannabe lawyer. |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:15:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future plaintiffs in lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though. You sure sound like you know what you are talking about, unfortunately you do not. You would have to prove CCP's criminal negligence, when there is none.
Your argument is akin to saying Eve online is an attractive nuisance. |
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